Thursday, June 10, 2004

Introduction.

This essay, I hope, is a fair and reasoned treatment of religious claims. I have tried to address the reasons for accepting these claims as part of ones beliefs in as thorough a manner as I am able. This essay is a work in progress, and is constantly under revision, so any criticisms of it, or suggestions as to what else may need covering, or indeed any comments on it whatsoever, are very welcome at the comments section below.

Much of the content of this essay is applicable to other religions, but in places I have addressed Christianity directly (including the God Arguments, which are all from Christian Theology) since it is for the reason of Christian influence upon my life that I have been able to interact with religion and so feel that it is a force that needs to be understood. Atheism, as a term, means the lack of belief in or the denial of the existence of God (negative atheism and positive atheism respectively). As a term it does not necessarily encompass views on religious belief, even though most religious practises would be bereft of content if theism (the belief in a God or Gods) were taken from it. Buddhism, for example, does not have a Godhead, yet it is a system of religious belief. I need to make it clear, then, that criticising religious beliefs in general is my goal here as well as making clear arguments for positive atheism (as far as I am aware there is no suitable banner term).

The main thrust of this essay is to show that coming to hold religious beliefs is epistemologically unreasonable, and that people should be therefore dissuaded from coming to hold religious belief for the reasons presented. Also, those who already hold religious beliefs, upon recognizing their beliefs as ‘bad’ (i.e. not truth-preserving), should cease to believe them. To deal with these latter groups of people regarding the difficulty of the move into disbelief, I will later in the essay address whether holding onto religious beliefs is a desirable activity.

To begin with, I need to stress that nothing I can say here necessarily means anything at all, as it is always possible that people will simply choose not accept the assumption that I make in writing such a critical piece in the first place. I should, therefore, try to deal with this assumption first, for if a person doubts it in the first place, how can I have any basis from which people can accept my criticisms?

The assumption that I am making in writing this text in the first place is that it is appropriate for me to criticize religious beliefs. If you do not accept that it is appropriate, then I could be typing away until my fingers fall off and it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference. It is necessary to seek your agreement on the properness of this project.

Belief and criticism

To address this assumption, then, I should start by looking at criticism of belief in general. We criticize beliefs for the same reason that we have for choosing to hold them – the desire for truth. For instance, if we believe something because we think that it reflects the truth, and then we find out that it does not, we cease to believe it. This is because truth is the criteria for choosing belief. So something that is true is always preferred over something that is untrue, and this is why people criticize beliefs – to ensure that the beliefs held are truthful. Criticism is therefore part and parcel of holding beliefs.

There is a popular problem with questioning beliefs, and this is relativism, which denies criticism on the basis that all beliefs are expressions of necessarily different perspectives and are all equally valid. Relativism is a problem in that it does not allow prioritization of different beliefs in any respect. Interestingly, if relativism thus stated were a belief, we would not believe much else. To choose something we are said to be judging and prioritizing, and in choosing beliefs we are demonstrating our judgment that it is better to hold those beliefs than to not hold them. If relativism means that this judgment is wrong, then the choosing of beliefs is a misguided activity. What we find easy to wheel out as a dismissal of criticism thus becomes a dismissal of being able to choose beliefs in the first place.

So, hopefully with your agreement that criticizing beliefs is part of the reason for having them, and that relativism is undesirable to say the least, is there anything about religious beliefs that exclude it specifically from criticism? We must make the observation, first of all, that if religions belief is chosen because of its truthfulness, it is subject to the usual rigour of philosophical criticism that might be applied to any other kind of belief. Such criticisms have been leveled at religious claims for hundreds of years. There is, however, an obvious aspect of religious belief that may lay claim to not be of the kind that requires philosophical investigation – that is, that religious beliefs are not chosen because of their truthfulness but because of the comfort they provide and the answers to important philosophical questions that they give. Before moving on to philosophical arguments against theistic and religious beliefs, I must address this.

That religious belief gives people specific identities is beyond question – scripture has been used to determine the sexual practices of people; to determine the relationship between the sexes; to create and reinforce political structures and to in turn be reinforced by them; and to be a point of cohesive influence in political dissent. All these things and more allow for a cohesive community, which is something people naturally find desirable. Another and perhaps further-reaching and more influential way in which religion gives identity is the answers to philosophical questions it provides. Religion gives us answers to the ontology of man, an essentialist nature of ethics, and various explanations of the natural world that have reflected prevailing issues in the philosophy of science throughout history. However, above all the major philosophical notion that religion imparts is that of a belief in God or Gods, which is a somewhat multi-faceted belief labeled ‘theism’. Theism may include the belief in a kind of metaphysical older brother that is constantly looking after a person, constantly guiding them and steering their lives to a master plan. Theism may include the belief in a vengeful God, who condemns people to hell if they do not choose to follow his teaching. God may be many things, or none of those things, and there may be one God or many. Theism is a polymorphous concept that can be anything people need it to be, and it imparts a very identity-defining view of the Universe.

To deal with choosing religion because of the identity that comes from it, it is important to keep in mind that this choice to believe is made only insofar as it is a reflection of social influence, which in cycles creates and is created by religious practice. Identity in religious terms is a kind of cultural determination that also enters discussions on contemporary ideas of self and is largely political. With such explanation in mind it must be the case that the defense of this appropriation of religious belief is found to be empty, and not an influential position as to the legitimate choice for religious belief, grounded as it is in the shifting sands of culture which could always have been otherwise, making adopting religious belief unnecessary – There will be more on cultural determinism in general later.

It is the appropriation of religious belief as consistent with truth that we must be concerned with, then, and the philosophical arguments put forward by theologians as to the rightful existence of God, along with historical understandings of religious texts and events. Here I am going to touch on the main three arguments for the existence of God, and later a few basic observations that show the murkiness of scripture, arguments from authority et al.

Refutations of traditional God Arguments

Firstly, let us look briefly at three philosophical arguments for the existence of God. The Ontological argument, known as the Argument from Existence, claims to prove God’s existence through logical forms of argument. The Teleological argument, known as the Argument from Design, seeks to show how the intricate complexities and mechanical perfections of the natural world require a creator. The Cosmological argument, known as the First Cause argument, argues that the chain of cause and effect necessarily began with God.

First, to deal with the Ontological arguments very briefly: The general objection to them is that they are all non-starters, as they beg the question by assuming the existence of God in their premises. If one does not accept the existence of God, one will remain un-persuaded by these circular arguments.

The Teleological argument is probably the most controversial argument. Controversial, that is, politically, and not because it is especially convincing. The main problem with assuming that the Universe requires a creator is that we know otherwise. The implications of the scientific theory of evolution are that creatures adapt to their environments via the process of natural selection. This process is mechanically unavoidable, as each thing must act according to its nature within a system of natural laws that regulate what traits survive to reproduce the next generation, and thus well-adapted life forms eventually result (and that all phenomenal things must act according to their natures/attributes explains how particles are consistently affected by the laws of physics to create a universe that appears well-ordered - and this has been postulated as long ago as the presocratic philosopher Democritus [460BC-370BC]).

The religious objection to this is usually a form of attack upon science as a credible imparter of knowledge (and hence the ‘controversial’ label I used above). Some arguments of objection show that science is not concerned with ethics – which is fallacious in that science need not be concerned with ethics to do what it says it does; some arguments make the point that science is not an absolute truth – which anyone at least basically familiar with the philosophy of science will know, and will know that this does not undermine scientific knowledge (indeed, the scientific philosopher Karl Popper pointed out that the lack of claims to absolute truths are a distinguishing strength of scientific theorizing); and some arguments bluntly show how scientific theories go against ‘facts’ that were established in the bible – Which is an attentive observation that shows quite rightly that one of them must be right and the other wrong.

Before moving on I need to put a couple of philosophical records straight. With regards to the Ancient Greek Philosophers Plato and Aristotle, and what they are said to have believed with regard to God. It is the case that both of these philosophers have been so influential for so long that scholars, in the ages where the only scholars were church scholars, naturally felt it necessary to show that their teachings reflected the Church’s views on God. To deal firstly with Plato, with a treatment of Aristotle after a look at First Cause arguments: Plato’s writings on the Master Craftsman in the Timeaus, which was the book of cosmology for many centuries, was interpreted as an authoritative verification of Christian theism. However, Plato’s Master Craftsman is nothing at all like Jehovah, and Plato would certainly not be pleased that his concept had come to be construed in this fashion. Plato argued that the order and harmony inherent in the universe must have come about by a mind being at work. He called this the ‘Master Craftsman’. Far from being a creator God, however, the Master Craftsman was simply that – a craftsman - who applied the appropriate forms to the most fitting materials. Natural laws, and the properties of things, are all pre-existent materials that the Master Craftsman has no control over, and they direct him in the work that he does as if working from blueprints in imparting the correct forms to the correct materials. This is not a creator God, and not at all recognizable as the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God, as he is not omnipotent, nor does he preside over heaven, nor is he a personal God, nor is he any of a great many things that these other Gods are said to be.

The Cosmological argument, or the ‘First Cause’ argument as it is commonly known, argues that because every cause is the effect of another cause, there must be something that starts this chain off, and that something must be God. The first objection we can raise is to ask for the cause of God, since God is a cause, and is therefore not exempt from the universal first premise that every cause is the effect of another cause. The revised argument states that ‘everything that began to exist has a cause’, which exempts God from this infinite regression. However, since the Universe and its laws are what ‘began to exist’ there must have been a time when it did not exist. This creates a paradox, since ‘time’ is a law of the Universe, that apparently ‘began to exist’, and yet to say this infers a ‘time’ when ‘time’ did not exist. Separate from these comments, there is a general fatal flaw in the First Cause argument that cannot be denied. If we do grant by virtue of some future argument that there was a first cause of all things, and we choose to label it ‘God’, then that name means nothing more than ‘first cause’, and is not the supernatural being ‘God’ and all that entails without additional arguments. The First Cause argument, then, does not prove what it sets out to prove - that is, the existence of the Christian (or Jewish or Islamic etc) God, since a ‘first cause’ need not necessarily have the qualities that these Gods are said to possess and can in fact be wholly mechanical.

Aristotle’s work has been subverted to the Christian cause in the same way as Plato’s, but in relation to First Cause arguments rather than Teleological arguments. Aristotle spoke of an ‘unmoved mover’ that is the basis for all subsequent movement, and that this mover is ‘the love that moves the stars’ (as summarized by Dante). At first glance it appears that Aristotle’s God as unmoved mover lends weight to the Christian First Cause arguments, but this is not so. It is true that he saw there to be a ‘First Cause’ of sorts, but that this first cause is not to be understood as the limit of causal regression – as is the Christian interpretation - but of progression, and it all has to do with Aristotle’s views of cosmology. Aristotle regarded the stars and planets as somewhat like animals in that they have desires. Because of the apparent absolute uniformity of their motion and their apparent immortality, it was almost beyond question that the heavenly objects were divine – and, of course, Aristotle agreed. Aristotle thought that the planets and stars could not have ‘lower’ desires such as that which rules earthly creatures and explains their self-movement, there must be a higher desire at work in them, and Aristotle termed this ‘love’ for the unmoved mover, explaining the heavenly bodies’ circular movements. This, it is safe to say, does not correlate at all with Christian ideas of First Cause, nor does the unmoved mover correlate at all to God – it is not a personality that has intentions toward mankind, for example: indeed it is a very minimalist conception of God, which suited Aristotle’s relaxed religious views just fine. In any event, Aristotle’s argument, and what he actually meant is somewhat moot now anyhow, considering that it has been refuted quite famously by various scientific discoveries.

My treatment here of the three major God arguments has been brief to say the least, but please do feel free to peruse the Internet, which has many sites that discuss God Arguments exclusively. In critiquing the more traditional variants of the main arguments for God's existence, I do not intend to imply that the more sophisticated versions fall to the same objections.

God arguments assumed = God?

Let me digress to take God arguments on their strengths, because it isn’t even necessarily the case that more sophisticated versions of them even need to be refuted. Whether they be the traditional arguments for God, or improved, more sophisticated versions, if we grant God arguments their premises and conclusions, what do we have?

We have, for example, A creator of the universe, a perfect being, and a first cause. A first cause, as I have already mentioned, can be understood as wholly mechanical, so let us disregard this argument as not fulfilling its aim.

A ‘creator of the universe’ is not specific enough as to in any way link such a mind to any earthly religion. Indeed, what can we say about the qualities of such a creator? Is the word ‘creator’ necessarily ‘God’ or anyone’s idea of ‘God’? The particularly Christian concept of God (that the God arguments address) includes being the creator of the Universe. It does not follow logically that the creator of the Universe, should one be agreed to exist, must therefore be the Christian God. Finally, does the concept ‘creator of the universe’ explain the need for religious devotion to it in any way whatsoever? I propose that the teleological argument also does not fulfil its aim.

The Ontological argument states claims to there being a ‘perfect being’ – yet when we start thinking about how this ‘perfect being’ must be God we again run into trouble. To be clear about this, we are not talking about whether the concept of God must include the idea of being a perfect being, but whether the concept of a perfect being necessitates the concept of God and all that that entails. Exactly as in the previous consideration, it must be pointed out that while the idea established by the argument is said to be contained within the idea of God, it is not that case that God is contained in the established idea; to assume that that is the case is a basic logical fallacy. Once again also, there is also the huge problem of how the concept of a ‘perfect being’ (like the first cause above) can possibly vindicate the specifics of religious worship. Of this and the previous arguments I can only say that even when I entertain the argument as true, it is nevertheless a failure.

Let me wrap these arguments up with this observation – That not only is it the case that none of them imply God with any degree of necessity, but also that there is no reason to think that any of the God arguments even have anything to do with each other!

The historical theory of scripture.

Apart from being persuaded by God arguments, another way in which we come to accept the truth of religious belief is from historical sources such as scriptures. Those who do not prescribe to the way in which historians gather knowledge about the past will have a hard time finding the following refutations convincing. I cannot explain the historical method with any depth of knowledge of the subject, but in order to convince you of the properness of historical criticisms I need to tell you a few basic guidelines of its method and why they are followed.

History is a study of the past. It is not whole and complete, but knowledge obtained by specific methods that are necessarily delimiting. This method, however, is worked and refined so that we know as much as possible about as many things as possible as accurately as possible etc. Historical research looks through sources that it sorts into different classes, i.e. primary sources and secondary sources, where primary sources are direct, first hand accounts, and secondary sources are accounts derived from those accounts. It is natural for primary sources to carry more ‘weight’ than secondary sources, though many exemplary secondary sources exist, and it is not to say that secondary sources that are not exemplary are to be shunned either – rather they add to bodies of knowledge most irreplaceably.

Historians do not accept historical facts from hearsay. To draw a parallel as to why this is the case let us consider a court, in which a person is accused of committing a crime. If somebody is called to the stand and says that somebody else told him or her that they saw this person commit the crime, and the defendant actually gets sentenced based upon this testimony, we would call it a perversion of justice and rightly so. It does not matter whether it is one person that says they heard about it or twenty, it is not proof that the person committed the crime. What is required is for the person that actually claims to have seen the defendant commit the crime to be brought into court to testify, and that is why such a person is called a ‘witness’, because it is they that have witnessed something. This witnessing is a parallel to having a historical primary source.

If we accept this, then we cannot believe in the historical man ‘Jesus Christ’. Now, this is perhaps a rather startling consequence of the reasonable practice that you may have just been in agreement with (but now probably back-peddling from very quickly indeed). It is imperative that you think over the reasons why hearsay is omitted from legitimate historical testimony, and understand the courtroom parallel I just explained, to solidify in your own mind the correctness of such a procedure. With that done, we can look at why it is the case that we cannot accept a historical Jesus Christ.

A historical basis for anything in this timeframe must come from writings, as obviously nobody is alive to tell us anything orally. The writings that we have as potential evidence for the existence of Jesus are surprisingly few, considering how many writers were around at that time. The only account that is still contested (note that ‘contested’ is not to mean ‘accepted’) is that of Josephus, who was born in AD37 and died in AD94. Disregarding the controversy of the content of his account, and simply looking at the dates at which he lived, it is clear that he could not have met Jesus and was therefore not a ‘witness’ to a historical Jesus. He claimed that there was one, and much has been speculated of what primary sources he might have read, but we have none of these speculated sources and no reason to assume a historical Jesus existed based upon the hearsay testimony of Josephus.

The other historical source for a historical Jesus is indeed the Gospels themselves, which, like other religious scriptures, are subject to general criticisms as well as some specific ones as well. These specific problems with the Gospels include contradictions and conflictions between accounts; the proclamation of them to be authored by specific people who have no historical basis even when it is clear that some sections are authored by different people; that the story of Jesus is prefigured in many ancient mythologies.

To deal with scripture in general, the reason why scriptures are difficult to use as historical sources is that, firstly, they might be completely made up – that is to say that the original authors may have merely written stories that have eventually been construed as telling historical truths. The apparent consistencies of scriptural evidence (should there be any found) that lead us to ascribe truth to them are therefore forever in some doubt. Treating them as historical documents proves to be difficult for a number of other reasons also.

Firstly, scriptures have always been in the hands of those that have edited and amended them, so it is always in doubt as to which content is the original writings. Secondly, with this in mind in the case of the Bible; knowing that it has been wholly edited many times, and indeed many books are compilations of many stories from different periods that do not agree (see the first two books of Genesis, for example) makes for extremely shaky foundations from which to derive accurate historical knowledge from. Thirdly, scriptures are not verified in ways that lead us undoubtedly to accept the scripture as factually correct (looking for historical correlations in geography, for example, does not prove the content of the story), and always this task of verification is an unending work. Lastly, there are many religious scriptures that proclaim to describe the same events (i.e. creation, and a God), but are of different religious persuasions, and there is nothing to make any one of them more truthful than the other being as they are all scriptures.

For these reasons and others, religious scriptures are no longer the basis of our historical knowledge, and though subject to interpretation by some religious scholars with historical knowledge in mind, they cannot be assumed independently to be the basis of any historical knowledge. They can corroborate independent historical sources, but all in all the weight of religious scripture in historical investigation is weak. As persons interested in history, therefore, with a good method of sifting good evidence from bad at hand, we should of course not be interested in religious scripture as exposing history that we can rely upon as truthful. We should, if we are interested in getting as true and accurate views of history as we can, leave scripture out of the equation. And this brings us to important distinctions.

These distinctions are that religious scriptures are not typically read in historical terms according to a method to uncover its historical truths. Scriptures are read by lay peoples trying to understand the world, and these people are not necessarily interested in being historically rigorous. They find within scripture historical claims that they then accept. They accept them for reasons other than for the regard of scripture within historical study as accurate (for which there can be little case), but because they accept a different, inferior method for obtaining truths along the lines of simply believing what one is told - either for reasons of cultural determination, arguments from authority, or when all this is shown to be unreasonable, on ‘faith’. The arguments which I have addressed thus far throughout the essay can be seen perhaps as a façade for these (in my opinion) less acceptable methods. These reasons are also substituted in the philosophical arguments I mentioned before, and not just in scripture dealing with historical arguments. Let me start by addressing faith.

Faith

Firstly, what is faith? Is it untouchable? Is it better than reason? Many will say so, but it is easier dealt with than you might think. Perhaps you have read through this whole essay believing it to be so, and disregarding my arguments. I hope I can change your mind. The first question we have to ask of faith, is what exactly is it? The idea of ‘faith’ you might reply, is that questions need not be asked about it. But if we don’t know what it is, how can we know that we have it? In my experience, ‘faith’ has been described either as a lack of justification, or as the word used for a very strong belief. Obviously this latter definition is not ‘faith’ as how we come to believe something, but the state of believing something, so this is not a problem (note that belief in something as the requirement to believe in that thing is laughably circular). ‘Faith’ as coming to believe something without justification, however, is a problem that needs addressing here. It contradicts the process of choosing belief, which I talked about near the start of this essay. When we choose a belief, we judge that holding that belief is better than not holding it, so choosing to believe in God is indeed a judgment from evidence, just as choosing to believe anything else is.

Also, there must be something that makes belief in, say, God, different to a belief in ‘Zogrumundadorr’ who is a doughnut monster that I just made up. We do not have faith in ‘Zogrumundadorr’, but we do have faith in ‘God’, so there is something that sets God apart as a belief and identifies it as worthy of ‘faith’ in a way that other beliefs are not. I’m sure you can see that this is not faith as ‘lack of justification’ at all, because the identification of religious belief as worthy of faith is justification for it. ‘Faith’ therefore becomes synonymous with ‘belief’, and this ‘belief’ is justified by its identification as a set of principles that are already agreed with; so then these agreements are the justifications for the belief, and originally calling it ‘faith’ is simply wrong and deceptive. At most, using the justification of ‘faith’ is an attempt to dodge identification of the real justifications for religious belief - not that many people really sit down and ask themselves what that is, to be frank.

Cultural determination

Now that faith is suitably dealt with, I need to put forward evidence for the acceptance of assuming truths on authority or by the influences of culture as inferior and in need of purging. Firstly, to elucidate cultural determination; cases can be made for the validity of truths assumed from culture – for instance it is probably the case that most of our beliefs about the world come by this process of environmental influence. What is important is what happens to these imparted beliefs once we hold them – do we question whether these beliefs are true and justified? If the answer is yes, should we ask for all such knowledge to be rigorously philosophically verified? This discussion can wait for another time, since we are only here concerned with religious belief, which will be examined whether we think that we should examine every culturally imparted belief, or whether we think that there should be degrees of priority where some beliefs are certainly to be examined, with some beliefs attributed a lesser urgency of examination (where religious beliefs must come pretty much right at the top of such a system, being as it is a most powerfully influential discourse on the understanding of life).

The main criticism to understand about the idea of assuming that culturally imparted beliefs are true is that we only think so insofar as they are imparted successfully - by degrees of rigorousness or repetitiveness or the requirement of them for social acceptance, and these things are not devices that impart beliefs that are necessarily true. If we thought that this were the case we would be severely contradicted by the differences in beliefs held by different cultures. In order for this to carry weight we need to keep in mind that religious belief includes truths about the natural world as well as moral truths or more acceptable things that live in cultural influence more properly and acceptably. For universal truths about the natural world to be able to apply consistently (which they must, necessarily) there must be non-culturally anchored arguments for them – indeed something that Science recognizes. So, religious belief, when appropriated as a cultural determination, is not able to support much of what it claims to be true.

Arguments from authority

Dealing with arguments from authority is an easy task. Quite simply, that somebody tells you that something is the case does not mean that it truly is the case. Let us then look closely at the priest, whose job it is to communicate religious truth to (mostly) lay people through the authority of his appointed position. Is it the case that the priest has his appointed position because he knows the truth and how to communicate it? To assert this is to say that priests know that God exists, amongst other religious claims, and that they can communicate this knowledge. If this is so then priests are unscrupulous fellows indeed, seeing as how they do not communicate such truths (indeed if they had I would not have any content for this essay). Of course, that priests have knowledge that proves of the truthfulness of religious beliefs, which for some reason they choose not to share, is a silly idea. Every argument we have from people with any religious authority has fallen short (again, hence this essay), so it must be reasonable to say that those with religious authority do not have any more monopoly on religious truth than a layman. Note that we cannot augment the authority of anybody within a religious organization with that familiar claim of appointment from ‘God’, as this is a circular argument, since belief in God is one of those beliefs that are claimed on the authority of those people (and of course this applies readily to arguments from scripture too). The only thing we can say about arguments from authority is that we can only accept such authority on the basis that it is able to provide adequate communication of reasoned claims to knowledge – and since this does not require authority, we are back where we started with simple knowledge claims.

I hope that so far we have eliminated the following from legitimate ways to acquire beliefs – Identity justified from culture, God arguments, referring to scripture, faith, cultural determination, and arguments from authority.

Uncertainty and new arguments.

After the elimination of arguments for coming to hold religious beliefs, I need to expand my essay into more normative grounds to see how desirable religious beliefs are. If I have shown that the ways in which we come to hold these beliefs are unreasonable, you are probably at a loss as to how exactly coming to hold these beliefs can occur. You might be trying to reformulate the arguments, trying to find some way to establish God and justify your belief system. I want to focus, initially, on whether this is worth your time - indeed, many theologians spend their entire lives reinterpreting and reformulating.

The first thing that I have to say, rather sharply, is that the attempt in itself is somewhat contemptuous, and for these reasons: If I have addressed the usual ways in which people say they believe in religious claims to such a degree as to leave you with unjustified belief, then this belief is, for the reason that it is unjustified, not able to be the basis from which you begin to make new arguments. Such new claims will be of the kind ‘I think this is how I can have faith, formulated because I have faith, which is unjustified’. Also, if by some luck this formula produces a good argument, we can see how we cannot let it vindicate the original belief (that it is intended to) because that belief was unjustified. Using the above formula, no new argument amounts to carrying any more weight than the original unjustified premise (i.e. the argument amounts to no more than any other unjustified belief).

It is the case, then, that any new arguments cannot vindicate the original beliefs, lest those beliefs be explicitly and specifically established. New arguments must start the establishment of all beliefs afresh, with no scripture, no priests, no god arguments and no appeals to community able to fill in gaps. No supposed justifications that I have addressed in this essay, should they be agreed to be insufficient (and if there is not agreement I want to know why), are able to supplement any new arguments – because to think that they are thus able would make the endeavour akin to crafting a cord on which to string false pearls.

Naturally, people will not admit in the first place to having their justifications for their beliefs dealt with, even though any refutations they might have will still not roll off the tips of their tongues. So it goes on, then, that people continue to hold on to religious beliefs. Obviously this goes against the reason for having beliefs – truth. Finding out that beliefs have no reasonable connection to truth should lead to our disbelief in those things (which may continue in this case as agnosticism/negative atheism). What we are dealing with, though, has such a grip on people’s lives – indeed their very existences – that such beliefs necessarily die hard.

People need help with this, and hence the normative nature of what is to follow. If people were to talk to a priest in such a crisis, they would be consoled straight back into the fold in no time at all. I must do my best, therefore, to show religious belief now (further to being unreasonable) to be undesirable to cling onto.


----part three----
Coming soon.

30 Comments:

Blogger Steve Sloan said...

I remember the movie Network where the guy went to the window and yelled, "I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore!" Perhaps if enough of us blogged on subjects that need blogging about a big mass of evidence would be there to instigate change.

Blog on! Let your voice be heard!

~Steve Sloan

11:23 PM  
Blogger News is Good said...

And yet your most recent post, Steve, is title "Okay, time to slow down and drive 55 again!" Driving safely is hardly anything to promote, is it?

10:43 PM  
Blogger Abbé Benoit said...

Your essay ("A case for Atheism") seems interesting. I'm sorry to say that I don't have much time (as a future Catholic priest) to argue about those things right now. It is perfectly alright to criticize religious beliefs (as a convert, I've been there, done that...), as long as you're willing to examine your own beliefs as well. I would suggest you read The Wonder of the World by Roy Abraham Varghese (basically a VERY GOOD case for Theism). You can also check out the encyclical letter Fides et Ratio [Faith and Reason] by Pope John-Paul II which discusses the relationship between faith and reason. You might want to check out Tom over at Disputations. He seems like the kind of guy who would enjoy 'arguing' with you. (Then again, what do I know?).

4:44 AM  
Blogger News is Good said...

First: 'benoit', your slipperiness is amusing. "Gosh," you say, "that's interesting and I'd sure like to show you wrong... but I haven't got the time! Because I'm becoming a priest!" Either you mean 'I am priest-man and know so much better than you it's not even funny and I shan't bother' or, perhaps, 'please don't question my belief, it's my job'. Or maybe you sense that it would rapidly devolve into a debate over paedophilia amongst Catholic priests. That often happens when you talk to atheists, I bet.

Second: "We criticize beliefs for the same reason that we have for choosing to hold them - the desire for truth. For instance, if we believe something because we think that it reflects the truth, and then we find out that it does not, we cease to believe it. This is because truth is the criteria for choosing belief."

As a psychologist, I'd like to dispute this. This is the criteria when you seek to live guided by principles of reason. You assume that everyone else wants to live in the same way.
Beliefs have uses, true or not. Why not invest faith in something pleasing to believe in? I myself am committed to criticising myself, constantly undermining my own helpful beliefs, leaving myself ever open to the chance of having to start all over again. This may be the considered life, and intellectually rigourous, a way that undoubtedly is the most rewarding. But I am a privileged kid who has a mother who works insanely hard for me, who now has a degree and am perfectly able to drift around the rest of my life in a bourgeous suburban fantasy; only interrupted by mid-life crises in which I buy a new car and get hot over my daughter's friends.
The considered life is most rewarding for me, because of certain circumstances. Hence I would argue for a relativistic understanding of the psycho-social forces which affect our positionings within philosophical arguments. If I was poor and with no hope, why not believe in a God? If I was brought up believing, and identified with it in a sympathetic and nostalgic way, why not believe in God? If faith offered me a whole new way of living, a whole new identity, a new conviction and source of 'inner strength'... why not?
Yes, it IS unreasonable, and the world would be - so I feel - a much better place if we all lived the considered lives as espoused by so many people, perhaps most especially Socrates. (Nietzsche, though, would have something to say about the dangers of this.)
But what is reasonable about being poor and hopeless, or feeling sympathetic and nostalgic for what your parents taught you, or for needing to grasp on to some sort of identity?

Belief offers much to the believer, just as rationality offers much to the rational. In the book 'Cat's Cradle' by Kurt Vonnegut, a man called Bokonon preaches the religion of Bokononism to the inhabitants of a tiny, useless, infertile island. This religion says that we are grouped together as units with a common aim by a god, that our existence is directed by this god so that we always have meaning, and that the religion itself is 'foma' - helpful lies that keep us going, keep us believing in ourselves and others and our lives through all the times when nothing makes sense.
Belief has USES. So does rationality. The use of rationality is better to me as it tens to be inclusive, it brings people together, it acts to negotiate between them and build a collective human existence. Belief tends be to exclusive, pushing people apart, acting to divide them. I would definitely choose the former myself, but I find it hard to begrudge those who choose otherwise. They have perfectly good reasons, from their own relative position.

You describe relativism as "which denies criticism on the basis that all beliefs are expressions of necessarily different perspectives and are all equally valid". In essence, I deny your criticism on these grounds: "all beliefs are expressions of necessarily different perspectives and all have multiple validities dependent on the relative view of those assessing it". This doesn't make holding belief a futile idea, it makes it a much more complex and constestable idea. It means we must be extremely honest and searching in our reasons for believing, and constantly questioning them, and trying ever to be 'right' even though it may never be fully possible. Rather than dismiss philosophy as an impossible task, it needs it constantly as a task to sort out the tangled web of human thought. Perhaps we will never reach a state of absolute rightness, but in the same way, you can never make the perfect cake. You can just make all sorts of really good cakes. Why would anyone say, "cakes will never be perfect, let's just stop bothering"? I wouldn't. Cakes are great, if not as good as pie.

So, in that spirit (of philosophy - and cake (and pie)), I definitely endorse your essay. Let's go and make some Christians read it to see what they think.

11:09 AM  
Blogger hubrisbiscuits said...

Thankyou for your various comments.

Steve - Thankyou for your support, I hope that people open themselves up to change via criticisms so that we can help them.

Benoit - I'll certainly check those books out if I can. Don't you think it would be better to talk these kinds of things over before you undertake your life to them?

NewsisGood - Yur first criticism is dealt with in the essay. Choosing beliefs because of the comfort they give is indeed what people do, but when they do so it is a reflection of their social influences and not the value of the beliefs as seperate from their particular socio-political circumstances.

Your second criticism:

"In essence, I deny your criticism on these grounds: 'all beliefs are expressions of necessarily different perspectives and all have multiple validities dependent on the relative view of those assessing it'. This doesn't make holding belief a futile idea, it makes it a much more complex and constestable idea".

Is not relativism in the strong philosophical meaning, nor is it anything to do with general unwillingness to criticise and be criticised. Your view here is completely compatible with my essay.


All the best to you all.

11:55 AM  
Blogger News is Good said...

It's sad you even have to touch the First Cause / Teleo / Cosmo arguments. Introductory books to Philosophy all take the piss out of them. Surely no-one uses them anymore... please tell me this is so? Please!!!

The Does Jesus Exist thing is still touchy. "He was in the bible, and the bible is right!" Why? "God said." Where? "In the bible."
It's pretty infuriating. Bible scholars argue over this to the point it's the most pointless debate in the world, of "yes!" and "no!" and "But - yes!" and "you're wrong: no!"

May I suggest headers to simplify the essay, delineating the sections such as "Dealing with the Classic Theist Arguments" for 1st cause, teleo, and cosmopolitan; and "Questioning Jesus" and so on? That'd be nice.

About faith, do you remember my riff upon the invisible cake which I have in my pocket? It shows the absurdities of faith with cake! Fun.

This be a good essay, essentially a rigourous roundup of key atheist arguments. Sadly, there is no new way to argue them that will convince believers. Especially that Jesus one. 'Cos he's in the bible, ain't he! In the end, there being a dearth of evidence is not important. It's about spiritual feeling.

Its focus is quite 'old', in the sense it goes back to the very foundation of christianity in history and in faith. It misses out on the 'postmodern turn' in religion, the move from a liberal christianity to a fragmented 'new age' spirituality which is more a matter of opinion than truth. This is sort of like Bokononism, I would say (haven't read all that much on this, though, only dribs and drabs) in that people know full well that what they are saying is probably untrue BUT they hold it as a 'valid opinion'. Just as politics has become 'I think this, shut up', so has religion. This personal 'I choose to' religion would quite not care about arguments against it, because 'I choose to be like this, it has use to me'. The 'considered life' argument acts against this also. You should choose to be what has use to both yourself and others, it says, you should not merely be selfconscious and please yourself.

I applaud spiritual feeling when it is love for humans, respect for humans, the wish to make the world better for humans. My problem with religious belief is that, callously, it can make you turn to God, and away from the clamouring hoardes that swell around us; who need our help. When religion is grounded in the here and now, and takes God's edict as to be fully present in life and to do the best for others, I find little to challenge. For me, it is the outcomes of belief - whether the beliefs of theist or atheist - which are most open to critique.

12:08 PM  
Blogger Kathy said...

Tom -
The story of Jesus of Nazareth is the greatest proof we have that God exists. No one would have made up that story. I ask you, who would follow a religion that would ensure certain death at the hands of the authorities? We have ample evidence to show that the belief/Faith of the persons who embraced Christianity in its early years was that of persons who knew they were following Jesus to the cross. They were laying down their lives by following in His footsteps.

Why did they do it? Self-deception? Inner need?

No. No one has an inner need to die. They did it because they knew it was true. They knew there is a life beyond this one. They knew they were created for eternity. They knew they were creatures of a Creator Who held their lives in His hand and loved them so much that He came to die in their place. They knew that if He loved them that much, no one else could take the promise of eternity away from them.

What was the evidence? Miracles. Healings. Visions. Knowledge that transcended human intelligence. Power that was beyond science.

Want evidence? Go to Lourdes in France or Fatima in Portugal and count the crutches and wheelchairs that have been left there. Jesus is real and is still performing miracles today. Check the Vatican canonizations in the last century. Each one requires at least two documented medical miracles - healings that are beyond the reach or explanation of science.

You stated that there are "natural laws". Yes, there are. But the Creator alone has the power to suspend or change them whenever He pleases. And He does.

Hope you can see the miracles in your life. Somehow I think you are going to see one soon. Don't ignore it.

Kathy

7:10 PM  
Blogger Abbé Benoit said...

Newsisgood : one of the reasons I don't want to enter into this debate is that English is not my first language and thus it's harder for me to structure my thoughts (and therefore I can easily be misunderstood). What I meant to say is that my current ministry as a future priest (in a parish) doesn't give me much time to write as much as I would like or to start such a complex and philosophical discussion (even though I do find the subject interesting). It's not because I think "as a priest-man I know su much better" or that my belief = my job and therefore I don't want it to be questionned. As for the 'risk' of the discussion "to devolve into a debate over pedophilia", it never even crossed my mind.

Second : Here's a text taken straight from Vatican II : "It is in accord with their dignity as persons -- that is, beings endowed with reason and free will and therefore privileged to bear personal responsibility -- that all men should at once be impelled by nature and also bound by a moral obligation to seek the truth, especially religious truth." I entirely agree with hubrisbiscuits when he says we should cease to believe something that is not true, even if it's 'inconvenient'. It could be convenient for me to believe in Santa Claus, but if it's not true, I would be living a lie. But I have faith ; I do believe--- through both reason and faith--- in what the Church teaches and I believe God has TRULY been calling me to serve Him as a priest for the last ten years (I could give you many reasons for this and many of those you would probably find hard to believe!)

Last word : I've read through your essay hubrisbiscuits and I disagree with a lot of your reasonings. Regarding the cosmological argument, for example... [I have studied the five "ways" of Thomas Aquinas at the Seminary. They were never meant as "proofs" of the existence of God in the first place. The have to be interpreted within the theological perspective of the Summa. Aquinas is not saying we can "prove" God with these 5 ways (in a scientific sense), but that the existence of a First Cause (which we commonly call 'God' but that is not yet the God of the Christians or the Jews of the Muslims) does not contradict reason.

I've once written a 30 pages essay on the Cosmological argument (in French unfortunately). The problem many people have is the way they understand certain key concepts of the argument ; in this case, Aquinas' concept of 'time'. St. Thomas (like Aristotle) believed that the created world COULD be eternal, so he cannot be arguing here for a 'wordly' [physical] time regression. Rather, he is talking about a metaphysical look at why "possible" realities exist in act ; all possible realities--- whatever their number, their length in time (duration), at one point are not because they are essentially, as 'possibles' ordained to non-being and can only exist by another, which is Act...

5:41 AM  
Blogger News is Good said...

Kathy, your comment is so amusing as to make me think that it is Matt having created a new account to, as you say, 'have me on'.

But I will reply anyway.

"They did it because they knew it was true."
Other religions have their miracles. And believers in other religions and gods have died for their faiths. Why are their miracles and deaths lesser to your ones, Kathy?

My answer? They are not. They are the same thing for the same reason.

Your answer? I'm expecting one that will be very flippant and ignorant and will make me quite angry, because your view will be that believers in other faiths who have died for their beliefs were misguided and stupid. I do not praise a God, Kathy, but I do praise human life. The answer I expect from you will go some way to demeaning life itself.

12:12 PM  
Blogger hubrisbiscuits said...

Addresing Kathy-

I think you need to look closer at the reasons for why you believe the things that you say.

"No one would have made up that story. I ask you, who would follow a religion that would ensure certain death at the hands of the authorities?"

Don't many religious people give their lives for their faith? Since the religions don't all agree, many people die for their faith without that faith being true. People die in wars without necessarily understanding why the war is being fought, but they go to war anyway - doesn't this refute your idea that facing certain death must happen for reasons that are known to be true?

"What was the evidence? Miracles. Healings. Visions."

How do you know about these things? From scripture and priests most probably (and these things are addressed in the essay). Is it not the case, as David Hume once wrote, that:

'No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavours to establish.'


"Knowledge that transcended human intelligence"
Think about this. Can a human know something that is beyond their intellectual capacity?

"Power that was beyond science."
This simply does not make sense. Try a different phrasing.

"Want evidence? Go to Lourdes in France or Fatima in Portugal and count the crutches and wheelchairs that have been left there. Jesus is real and is still performing miracles today"

Healings desribed as 'faith healing' may be (although I'm extremely sceptical about it) happening. These 'healings' however are not necessarily anything to do with Jesus or the truth value of faith. It is reasonable to assume that faith itself is the only requirement for such things (should they actually happen because of faith) and not the actual truthfulness of those beliefs. There is not a necessary connection between 'faith healing' and the truthfulness of religious claims. As evidence of God or Jesus 'faith healing' is not convincing.

"You stated that there are "natural laws". Yes, there are. But the Creator alone has the power to suspend or change them whenever He pleases. And He does."

How do you possibly know that this is the case?

"Hope you can see the miracles in your life. Somehow I think you are going to see one soon. Don't ignore it."

I'm not a man that waits for miracles.

All the best Kathy.


Addressing Benoit-

Firstly your english seems perfectly fine to me. Secondly, I wish you would give me reasons for your faith. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're doing here other than trying to excuse yourself.

That you understand Thomas Aquinas' 5 ways as not 'proofs' of God's existence saves me time in addressing them. You therefore must have other ways of coming to believe in God's existence. I wish you would tell me what they are.

Take care.

12:15 PM  
Blogger Rob said...

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1:10 PM  
Blogger Rob said...

Writing as an atheist is a noble thing indeed. As Bertrand Russell points out, we are all born as atheists with no understanding of faith or gods. Atheism is our 'default setting' and consequently it's not the job of the atheist to defend her/his viewpoint. By entering into this discourse rather than
ignoring it is brave and productive and above all the right thing to do.

I have difficulty with tackling religion intellectually these days. I can't see god worship as being anything other than a sad tangle of desperate truth seekers (as you also insinuate in the essay) with a fear of death clinging onto the arbitrary teachings of wishy-washy legend.

George Holyoake wrote that "atheism deprives superstition of its stand ground, and compels theism to reason for its existence". I think your essay does this pretty well: it considers the existing explantions and justifications of the theist and bounces 'em back.

Alan Partridge says that he's a Christian and that he sees God as a 'gas' like Oxygen (not like Carbon Dioxide though: that's Satan). I think he's pretty typical as theistic thinkers go. There are some clever religious types out there though so I'm sure you'll get some decent criticism soon!

1:11 PM  
Blogger Abbé Benoit said...

Why I believe in God's existence? Because it makes more sense than to believe otherwise! I see His actions in my life (sometimes through extraordinary acts of Providence) ; I feel His presence and his love at times ; because He answers my prayers ; because (even today) He works miracles ; I believe in God because of the awesomeness of the created world, the stars, the flowers, the animals and the smallest of babies; because the greatest witnesses of human dignity (and Truth) are those who live according to His Word ; because of the countless martyrs [witnesses] and saints, St.Francis, St.Padre Pio, St.Gemma, St.Vincent Ferrier, because of Bernadette, Francois and Jacyntha ; because of the Church and Her teachings, because of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

hubrisbiscuits : I'm not sure what you're doing here other than trying to excuse yourself. Rob quotes Bertrand Russell : "we are all born as atheists with no understanding of faith or gods". But I quote St.Augustine : "Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in You."

3:31 PM  
Blogger hubrisbiscuits said...

Addressing Benoit-

I can tell your recnt comment is an emotional one, and indeed this is an emotional subject. Don't think that I take any of it lightly. It is very important to me (and, I hope, to you too) that we come to the correct conclusions, and I would not mock you or anybody else.

Every reason that you have given above are not, in fact, reasons. They are all precluded by your beliefs that there is God, that the world is created, that the Vatican has something to do with God (who exists) etc. None of these things is yet established and that is why I am here.

In short, you cannot be entitled to the reasons you gave because you have not shown how they are justified.

Indeed, Rob's quote of Russell fits somewhat with what you say. We have to learn that there is a God, that the world is a creation of a supreme being, that there is a church that has something to do with communication with God etc. (For example, we have to at least read the Bible to know who Jesus was, do we not?) What is important is looking at how we 'learned' these things and seeing if these reasons give us truthful beliefs.

4:13 PM  
Blogger News is Good said...

Aaah! I get you now, Benoit, thankyou. God exists because you want him to, as it helps you explain many things.

If only I wanted God to exist also, then through wanting it I would have it. Sadly, I'm stupid enough to have come up with all sorts of ways that the world could be as it is without God.

I hear ya though, the world is so demonstrably good - NO-ONE is poor or dying! - that it's amazing and there pretty much must be a Jesus!

5:09 PM  
Blogger Abbé Benoit said...

NewsisGood : thank you for your patronizing and condescending tone and attitude.

hubrisbiscuits : good luck on your quest for the "Truth" (the Truth shall set you free). Peace on earth to people of good will.

I'm outta here.

3:50 AM  
Blogger Rob said...

"Peace on earth to people of good will"

Ahahaha!

9:46 AM  
Blogger News is Good said...

Sorry for scaring off Benoit - who I affectionately called Benoit Hill because I imagine him to be a fat comedian. If my demeanour were any meaner, I'd constantly be in trouble!

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Stop spamming us, Schweinhund. Your blog is irrelevant to any content we could possibly conceive.

4:53 PM  
Blogger Deya said...

I'm not sure what I think about God and religion but I think a lot of your points make a lot of sense. I think people have a basic need to have a purpose. we don't like thinking that there isn't some kind of creator because that would mean there is no discernible point of us being here. I felt like that for a time but then I realised that what I was hanging on to wasn't believe, it was just a necessity. Also, people need to know that when there are things going on out of their control, that there is someone that can control it and so they pour all their fears about the unknown into praying.

Keep Blogging! It's really interesting!

8:34 PM  
Blogger hubrisbiscuits said...

Thanks for your comments Deya,

It's very helpful that you raise those points, as these are the kinds of things that I'm trying to write about at the moment for the third part - I will certainly cover whether there is a 'necessity' in thinking teleologically, and what alternatives to religious beliefs we actually have.

I hope you keep checking back for the third part, and to read the comments made by people (the debates are interesting! I hope people keep commenting!). I hope that I can deal with your anxieties and will want to know whether what I say is sufficient to that end.

Peace.

8:52 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

Shame you feel the need to SPAM to get people to read your stuff. A much better approach would be to:
(a) read their stuff and comment sensibly - that's just polite!
(b) write interestingly.

Personally I might have found your article more approachable if you had broken it into smaller sections organised around comon themes, with a table of contents and links so that I could have read any parts that interested me.

11:29 PM  
Blogger ivanckt said...

I agree with Tim as English is not my Mother language...... I waa frightened by the huge essay in front of me. It would benefit more people if it could be better organised, Tim's advices are good. Anyway, I would try to finish your essay.

4:24 AM  
Blogger hubrisbiscuits said...

Tim -

"(a) read their stuff and comment sensibly - that's just polite!"

My apologies.

Tim & ivanckt -

"Personally I might have found your article more approachable if you had broken it into smaller sections organised around comon themes..."

"It would benefit more people if it could be better organised"

Super, thankyou muchly. I will organise the essay into appropriate sections.

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